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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Aug 9, 2006 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Maybe not as mad as disapointed....That he throws us (a sizeable number of fans) under the bus with a see ya comment!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 9, 2006 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

all he had to do was apologize for the one comment/the way it came out. we've all said stupid things before in various stupid ways. he offended alot of people (emphasis on alot) and a simple "sorry 'bout that choice of words" would have gone a long way in my book. i'm sure he was not the only decision make in this rhino deal. plus, i'm sure he was kinda tired as i believe the interview was during a heavy touring schedule.
i'm way over the sbd's being pulled, but that "see ya" is still pretty loud in my ears.

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 9, 2006 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

you know something. what about all the good times we had at shows and what the music did for us at that time in our lives.
why get mad at something you have no control over.there is so much music out there to enjoy. i have been trading tapes for over 30 years. and have enough to listen to for a lifetime.
be thankful for what you got people.we only live once.
remember,

seldon turns out the way it does in a song

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 9, 2006 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

i also have more dead music and others that i could listen to in a lifetime - even have a ton still sitting in zip files - unopened and unburned.
"Mad" is not the issue - it is the "scolding" of someone i more or less looked up to (unfortunatley). It was the manner or the scolding and the word choice involved more than the message itself. It is a disappointment issue rather than an anger issue. Anger is long gone within me, but, unfortunately, disappointment lasts far far longer than anger in any "relationship." The spoken word is like the spent arrow. What Bob said, he said, it cannot be taken back. It is what it is - their music still brings me happiness, but, Bob's great voice now forever holds the aura and echo of "see ya." Unfortunate? yes - but that is life for us and for him.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 9, 2006 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Amen, NYJack. It helps to stay positive. Life is just more enjoyable. We can turn-on friends more easily than ever, and my kids can hear music(on demand) from shows mommy and daddy attended. Brilliant. Preserve GD SBD streams.

Let the Bobby thing go now. Be the bigger hippie...

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 9, 2006 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

I think the beard makes him irritable. Look at it. It must be itchy as hell.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 9, 2006 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

why should he apologize? A bunch of people were throwing a petition in his face with a big middle finger. All he did was throw it back. This completely reminds me of the protesters in Festival Express. Even Jerry was rubbed the wrong way by their whiny entitlement attitudes. Of course they played free to keep the peace kinda like putting SBD's back in streaming huh? Also - I don't know all the details but I'm willing to bet it aint just Bobby regardless of what Phil says. If that's the case where is Phil NOW? Doesn't he have any say? I think Bob just happens to be the only one with the balls to address it. Maybe I'm wrong but this is my hunch.

Like it's been said - I've more than gotten my money's worth out of the Grateful Dead

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 10, 2006 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

unlike the protesters in Festival Express, those that protested pulling of all GD files from the LMA last November received their entitlement from Mr. Garcia himself;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pcDzpEsJDHk&search=jerry%20garcia

"...and when we're done with it, they can have it"

pulling the entire collection, getting a plug in the NY Times, then restoring the aud's for downloading and sbd's for streaming was nothing more than a cheap marketing ploy that backfired

times have certainly changed

most of what the Jerry Garcia era GD experience has imparted to us follows us through life without aid of external recording players

until they invent the thought police (sure gonna need those protesters then), jam on brothers and sisters

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 10, 2006 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Whatever, this has been covered to death. I have no axe to grinde at all nor do I claim to know WWJD ( what would Jerry do ha!) I don't put any stock in what he said 25 years ago - most likely high to boot. I feel in no way owed and am thankful for all they have done. Now granted I think they would have made considerably more money getting on the ball and releasing things a LONG time ago ( such as Sunshine daydream) but whatever.

The only thing that makes me sad is how no one can even seem to come close. Phish was probably the closest at being musically interesting and impressive to me but they never did any more than that to me - entertain. No one has even a glimpse of the magic the Dead had.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2006 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

I'm still pissed with Bobby. It was at some point in 83 or so, but he borrowed a lavendar polo shirt from me since he ripped his tie-dye (or was it his dashiki - I forget) and then proceeded to wear the damn thing show after show and never gave it back. I would think now that he's fatter and gone for the beard and birkenstocks, I could get it back.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 10, 2006 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

oh crap! is that your polo shirt?? Bobby gave it to me in the late 80's, it's a bit frayed, but I'll send it posthaste!! Alot of the bobby bashers were probably stageside and had to endure his, uh, spray

and besides, he never got the lyrics to Truckin right

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 10, 2006 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

a message from "god"

"Too much showmanship is usually a sign of insecurity."
- Eric Clapton

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

This from the musician who gave gave us "August". Hey, why can't I stream Eric Clapton's live soundboards on the net for free? What a selfish a---hole he is. And why is it so expensive to go see him play with Cream? And where was the taper's section? That DVD should have been free too.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 12, 2006 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Not to mention ripping off J.J. Cale's style for the better part of the 70's

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2006 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Speaking of shirts, at the Cap Center show (or was it the MCI center by then?) where they broke out the Ripple encore to make up for an otherwise dud of a show, in the parking lot before hand my friend and I were selling black hanes t-shirts like Jer wore (black with the pocket) for $5. "Wear the shirt Jerry wears - only $5." We sold two and were left with two a piece (mine is still in use). Anyway, Jerry wore some funky Guatemalan (sp?) shirt that night. I've always wondered if someone in the organization told him about us. Sure did flip our lids.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

I'm shocked that you are not offering these last two shirts on E-Bay for free.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 10, 2006 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

>>>pulling the entire collection, getting a plug in the NY Times, then restoring the aud's for downloading and sbd's for streaming was nothing more than a cheap marketing ploy that backfired>>>

It is too bad that the band wouldn't leverage the talent pool of Deadheads to transition to GDP. The Bay Area alone is filled with all sorts of new media heads that would've love to be a part of it. But it's their work, and I hope they can do interesting things with surround sound.

Until then, we can get most anything if we really want. It's not that hard. The streams are almost always better than my old tapes. There's plenty of GDP stuff, free easy fast audience, and you can still trade all you want.

Collecting is fun, but there's nothing you can hold very long, anyway.

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 10, 2006 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

please lets put this subject to rest!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Right on.

But not the beard thing, right?

I mean something has to be done!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 10, 2006 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

"quite mad indeed!" said the mad hatter....and only 58 replies in 3 daze.
Could this be the 2nd longest GD thread ever????

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

this thread has definitely achieved critical mass and then some

noticed the dude that started the thread ("...summed it up rather well in one sentence.") split long before it went nova

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 10, 2006 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Yes, the beard is top priority, right behind fearless leader, the Middle East, solar power, consevation, and about a billion other things.

Maybe his strength comes natural as any old man.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

What about Moose and Squirrel?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 1:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

they only get off the hook if they are offering free Bullwinkle downloads, otherwise those two will have to face a boycot just like everybody else

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 11, 2006 5:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Those SBDs ain't coming back now that they signed a 10 year contract with RHINO. GD Live is history now. You can still download that music using a couple of Bittorrent sites. A lot of Jerry Garcia stuff started showing up at Etree on the first of august...

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 11, 2006 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

yup, I get alot of shows off the various torrent sites.
Posting here is mostly for laughs and giggles. (Also i don't have much of a life-lol)
I bet if Bobby read this thread, he'd be laughing and shaking his bearded head. Your posts are quite sane, Cuz-
and people here are pretty cool and don't flame out too much. Example- i post at an MMA site and there's LOTS of flaming, bashing and banning going on. This is an Island of serenity-lol. See ya!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 11, 2006 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

The only shirt that bothered me was the Madonna one, or was that my imagination?

Actually what is troubling is the Bobby connection to The Bohemian Club and the deceptive Ann Coulter, which I just read about at deadnews.blogspot.com. Maybe they are trying kind words to get at remnants of conscience, or maybe those conspiracy theories about the Tavistock Institute aren't so far off.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 11, 2006 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

"Actually what is troubling is the Bobby connection to The Bohemian Club and the deceptive Ann Coulter"

I read Ann's column's, then i decide what is deceptive and what's not. Same with the deceptive Murtha and Moorer. Bobby?? Oooooooo, not the dreaded Bohemian club! God help us!!

check this out >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpNHWQGjow
though i bet she smoked grass at least-that could be deceptive-lol

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Ann Coulter a deadhead - who woulda ever thunk it. great link.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Ann Coulter and Bobby??? Now that is a match made in heaven even from a dialogue perspective.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Ya make some music for thirty or forty years. Make people happy. Then you go---"Who's doin' what? Hey, I wrote that song.". F*!&^ you buddy, we're downloading all your soundboard stuff for free because the music should be free.
Oh yeah? Where do you work? What are you givin' away for free? Are you working in a law office? Giving all you time away to whoever wants it? I'm an actor. Should my acting be for free? I have another friend who's a courier. Should he deliver packages because the packages should be free? Is Bruce Springsteen giving it away? Bob Marley's estate? Herbie Hancock? Big Brother? John Cage?
Tom Waits? Peter Coyote was one of the Diggers. Feeding people in the Haight. Keeepin' it together. Now that he's an actor should he work for nothing. Hey, I can pay to see E.T. or I can download it. Neil Young has said after chasing bootleggers for 30 nears that now he doesn't mind people trading bootlegs now that he's old and stinking rich. Think Bobby's a rich as Neil? Think Neil would allow people to download soundboards of all his live appearances of the last thirty-five years?

Remember what age this musician is. Remember that internet concepts of f^&*ing copywright might be a little out of his ken. Maybe he's an old fashioned American with an idea of getting paid for his work. When they set up a taper section in the early 80's did they forsee this? Did they ever pretend that they weren't into making a living at this? I mean he's not Aereosmith. The guy is playing bars and small theatres.

I'm an actor and I'm constantly below the poverty line. Does that mean after thirty some odd years of good times Bob Weir owes me anything? You know why he said "See ya."? Because he knows he doesn't owe us a thing. He gave his f^&^%$in' nervous system for us. What more do you want? Like I said this is the most absurd stuff. Listen to live shows from the early days. Listen to how they relate to their audience. They were punks. They're still punks. They're grateful to us, have affection for us but look... Garcia licenced out his artwork for frickin' ties before he died. He was wrting books. Do you think he should have come to your house and given it to you for free or put it on the internet? Think he would have daid okay? Think again.

The music should be free. It is free!!! Stream away. How long before an enterprising deadhead beats this whole thing anyway? Or already has? How many shows do you need in your collection? What does Weir have to do. Apologize? "I'm sorry, I was in a really bad mood that day." Anybody know any musicians? They're not exactly diplomats. (When I was ten years old I thought Garcia was an a-hole! Check out what he says to Harry Popick at the Omni in '95 and that guy's a friend!!) A lot of these shows are available elsewhere. Get a life! He's not going to apologize.

And worse? He's probably not going to shave!!!!

Damn. And I said I wasn't going to be drawn into this.
If the boys ever re-unite and do another tour I'm selling "See Ya." t-shirts in the parking lot. Oh no. Sorry. I'll give them away for free. Because the t-shirts should be free.



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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

GDP, an organization of hundred people didn't have someone capable of issuing a press release in conjunction with their decision November 22, 2005, to remove the entire LMA GD collection?

You make a excellant case for the work of the artists, but what about the countless hours of work by the non GDP volunteers who made this collection possible, the same collection that has been and is now providing "free" promotion of the shows, did they not deserve an explanation?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

GDP, an organization of hundred people didn't have someone capable of issuing a press release in conjunction with their decision November 22, 2005, to remove the entire LMA GD collection?

Then-spokesman Dennis McNally spoke to the New York Times that week. That article probably had more impact than a typical press release.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-08-11 17:00:24

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

as best as i can tell (having some trouble negotiating the forum archives) that NY Times article did not appear until November 29/05, a full week after the LMA GD collection was removed without explanation

in the mean time Mr. Weir was personally offended by the impatience of some of the deadheads and fought back...the resultant unnecessary and avoidable war caused disasterous results not only between GD and their very small fan base but between the fans themselves and may also have significantly contributed to GDP's tragic downfall

although these discussions at times seem hopeless and somewhat indulgent, it does appear that each side is much closer to understanding each other than last November

Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to learn about ourselves and each other...this truly is a primo forum

LONG LIVE LMA!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

The whole thing was handled deplorably by both sides (myself included). Unfortunately the LMA got stuck in the middle of it when there was nothing they could do. I don't blame the LMA for shutting all Dead down for awhile until things straightened out, but many on the forum kept blasting the dead AND the LMA, the latter of which was unwarranted in my opinion. They couldn't risk all they had done over the past several years over one band. The Archive is so much bigger than just the dead.

Much of what i say about Bobby is just blowing smoke up my own ass. Atleast he had the balls to fire back, unlike the other surviving band members.

You are right, the LMA has been completely generous allowing us to vent, exchange ideas, and just ramble on. They even gave us babblers our own forum!! That is why i am sending out some quid to them after i get out of my surgery next week. They have been great!!! The work that Diana, Brad, Tyler, Tracy etc etc do is truly great - forget the dead... they keep all this other great music up here for us with great selection, ease of access, and great download speeds. And all for FREE unless we feel inclined to send them a bit of cash (tax deductible i might add). It sure aint free for the Archive. Any bit helps and we all owe them what we can afford for all this great service and music. (i'm starting to sound like a paid spokesman - lol - a new career for me... yay)

I think I'll just shut up now :)

p.s. - me bad - forgot to thank all the tapers and uploaders - they are kinda important too since without them, the music couldn't get here. Hope Charlie Miller/skb archives hasn't totally dropped out of the uploading picture - he rocks

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 11, 2006 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Bobby actually blew off some steam a couple days *later*. Quote summary:
http://deadnews.blogspot.com/2006/01/archive-quotes.html

(IIRC the McNally article was reported 11/29 PM online, and was in the actual paper copy 11/30 AM.)

"a great communication snafu"
;)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 12:22pm
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right you are Diana, we are getting closer to understanding
thanx mod :)

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Poster: nchead Date: Aug 12, 2006 1:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Never really considered the liability potential of the cover tunes. Seems like weir showed quite a bit of restraint in his response to the petition. Most of us would'nt have been so nice in that situation.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Didn't Jerry Garcia once describe the Grateful Dead as an organization that doesn't work "too good" in the straight world? I always think they're trying their best to make sense of chaos (we're all part of that chaos) for themselves because they embraced chaos for so many decades. I wish them all well in their golden years as I do all of you out there. As Snoopy said, "Make one mistake and you pay for it for the rest of your life." I think as Calamity Jane says on Deadwood that we get up and learn how to live all over again. That's why I'm jumpin' the thread, keepin' my lavender, embossed, bona fide Bobby Weir Alligator shirt, and goin' where the climate suits my...well...my lavender, embossed, bona fide Bobby Weir Alligator shirt...I...umm...guess...

Alligator! New thread!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 11:57am
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now that is one fine gesture of good faith

jam on bro

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 9, 2006 11:13am
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i agree, completely mishandled

"...when you meet your heroes one of two things happen, either they're assholes or they turn out to be just like you and me."
- Imaginary Heroes

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 9, 2006 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

nice quote - and how true!! in all aspects of life.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 9, 2006 12:21pm
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For me Weir will always be a silly guy doing stunts like trying to serenade on one knee, but they did leave us with high quality streaming! That was very nice, and I hope it lasts.

in SF